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Growth in China May Be Near Zero

By JOE McDONALD
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AP
posted: 291 DAYS 7 HOURS AGO
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BEIJING (Feb. 6) - Plunging exports. Factory closures. More than 20 million people thrown out of work. Official data showing that China's economy is cooling but still growing strongly obscure what economists say is a sharp recent decline that has inflicted obvious pain.
What is happening matters far beyond China. Whether the third-largest economy is stalling or still growing could affect how quickly the world recovers. A stagnant China would mean less demand for industrial materials and consumer goods from the United States and others.
The difference lies in the way growth is measured. Beijing uses a method that compares growth in one quarter with a full year earlier and says its economy expanded by a healthy 6.8 percent in the final quarter of 2008.
But experts say that compared to the previous three months — the system used by most other major countries — China's growth fell to as low as 1 percent or possibly zero.
"The recent weakness is much worse than the long-term trend," said JP Morgan economist Frank F.X. Gong. Merrill Lynch economist Ting Lu said fourth-quarter growth from the previous three months was "close to zero."
The lower quarter-on-quarter growth figure would be in line with other indicators that show exports and manufacturing falling and weakness in investment and consumer spending.
The pain is evident on factory floors and in empty restaurants and shops.
Sales at the Laiwu Sheng Yuan Building Materials Co. have plunged 50 percent from a year earlier, said general manager Wang Jian. He said construction companies are in such bad shape he is reluctant to fill orders.
"I'm afraid they won't be able to pay," said Wang, whose company in the eastern city of Laiwu has 100 employees. "Builders already owe me more than 200 million yuan ($29 million), and I don't know when I'm going to get it back."
Other Asian economies such as Japan and South Korea are contracting, which would make Chinese growth of even 1 percent encouraging. Beijing says there are signs its 4 trillion yuan ($586 billion) stimulus launched in November is taking effect.
A key indicator of manufacturing improved in January, suggesting the slump might be reaching its bottom. But the purchasing managers index of the China Federation of Logistics and Purchasing said manufacturing still contracted.
"Despite the sunny headline figure, we believe it signals not a recovery, but rather continued weakness," Standard Chartered economist Stephen Green said in a report. "Less bad news is not the same as good news."
Other countries such as the United States and Japan report gross domestic product growth by comparing each quarter with the previous quarter. That requires more number-crunching to adjust for seasonal differences but quickly reveals changes in performance.
The gap in measurement is well known to private sector economists, who try to estimate China's quarter-on-quarter growth based on skimpy government data.
Fourth-quarter growth compared with the previous three months fell to 1 percent at an annual pace, down from 4 percent the previous quarter, according to Green.
"We sharply decelerated in November and December," he said. "There are no clear signals we have accelerated."
JP Morgan gave an estimate of 1.5 percent quarter-on-quarter annualized growth. But its figures also highlight a sharp decline: That rate is just one-tenth of the 15 percent quarter-on-quarter growth the bank says China achieved in early 2007.
Exporters and China's trade-driven southeast coast have been hit hardest but weakness has spread to other regions and industries such as real estate and auto sales.
At Kamboat Chinese Cuisine, a Shanghai restaurant, business was so lackluster for last month's Lunar New Year, usually a busy period, that some waiters were told to start vacation before the holiday, said executive chef Chen Zhenjiang. He said that was despite cutting prices so low they wiped out the restaurant's profit.
"Nothing is more important than saving money, even in the festival season," Chen said.
The Cabinet's National Statistics Bureau is struggling to keep up with China's rapid economic evolution. It repeatedly revises past growth estimates as new data come in.
It was only in 2005 that booming service industries such as restaurants were counted in economic output. That forced NBS to revise a decade's worth of growth figures. But only annual numbers were revised, not those for each quarter, making it harder for analysts to make historical comparisons.
"China's statistics system is really in a mess," said Merrill's Lu. "It's extremely difficult and close to impossible to calculate the quarter-on-quarter growth rate in China."
The bureau says it wants to create a reporting system like those of other countries.
"We are doing research right now on setting up this system," its boss, Commissioner Ma Jiantang, said last month, though he gave no timetable.
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RJMJLM711 09:20:30 AM Feb 07 2009

You cant buy your way out of this mess you have to work you way out of it and A good start is to shrink the goverment. and they are on there way to making it larger?Is the free trade agreement and nafta good for america?This is something are goverment should be looking at.Illegal aliens are another problem that cost america more than the war. Crooks in wall street and are banks. These are just A few of the problems that we are facing that should be addressed first, befor handing anymore tax dollars out with no clue of where they are going.

Hharley41 09:04:33 AM Feb 07 2009

america is a wharehouse for china.whats wrong with that.look around everything is fine.dont get upset, relax its all good.the top one percent is alright.we just need to give more to china they are our friends,we love comunists dont worry be happy.we all got what we wanted low low prices at china mart.how many of you are going to china mart today. we reap what we sow

JABO99 09:02:55 AM Feb 07 2009

Obama is to blame for this crap. He is like a lot of others that have acheived high position. Once they get there they do not have a clue as to what to do. Obama is just another corrupt Chicago politician who will say or do anything to get what he wants. I hope Blago implicates him and takes him to jail also.

LllCln 08:26:05 AM Feb 07 2009

get rid of nafta,cafta,corn ethanol and all this republician bs.

LllCln 08:25:08 AM Feb 07 2009

im glad to see deregulation,speculation,greed,paying less taxes,less government,all ending.it has caused this mess and we the american people are going to rebuild america,pay our share of taxes so we will have good roads,bridges,schools to make america a better place to live.and no we do not want imported products that are poisonous,and dangerous for children,seniors,pets,and higher basic food prices for everyone.so no republicians we do not want your value,s for us.no more republicians tp be the stewarts of our economy ever again.

Fopdaddy1 07:54:37 AM Feb 07 2009

lockonphasers 11:19:25 PM Feb 06 2009 Report This! does anyone really believe that china, russia, france, saudi arabia, brazil, india, japan or any of the major economic powers; or for that fact any of the emerging market nations, are going to let america come out of this mess we are in? we are where they always wanted to see us, and they have their foot on our neck. and we did it to ourselves.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>WITH ALOT OF HELP FROM 'VOODOO ECONOMICS'

DTwoLeftFeet 07:47:37 AM Feb 07 2009

China (and mid-east OPEC countries) are large buyers of US Savings Bonds. Those are the old government bonds Americans used to buy as rock solid 5% interest government backed conservative saving instuments. Now our government uses the money invested by China to 'pay' for the deficit operation of our federal government. Its a little aggravating to realize that a small portion of the federal tax I pay every year will go to China to pay the interest on the savings bonds. But if we default on the interest, American bonds will be worthless on he international market and the value of the dollar against foreign currency will collapse.

Tese42s 06:13:41 AM Feb 07 2009

When all of those loans get called in from china, our all knowing will do what they do to us Americans. Just say I don't remember. They have been getting by with that one for a long time. Screw china.

MTHQAM 05:55:58 AM Feb 07 2009

skipfamily and mozartatal, I could not agree with you more there sure is some BS in this article. I am from England, but lived a long time in Texas and now run a company in Shaoxing just south of Shanghai. I am in Shanghai every two weeks and i ask myself where is the downturn. Sure restaurants are slow during the new year, everybody goes home, thats why hotel prices in Shanghai are lower at that time of year, Now restaurants are full again, have you been to nanjing road lately, more crowds than ever, it seems everybody has money to spend, As I say BS

Mn2co 02:09:39 AM Feb 07 2009

Consider when China calls in our debt to them we just say BANKRUPT. Granted it will take a while to reestablish our manufacturing HOWEVER, Americans CAN AND WILL do what needs to be done. WATCH IT. Many shortages for a while so prepare.

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