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In a bad economy, banks trade their way to profits

By STEVENSON JACOBS
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AP
posted: 40 DAYS 13 HOURS AGO
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NEW YORK -The big banks are showing they can still make money, even as Main Street struggles — though not from lending, refinancing homes or other bread-and-butter business.
Instead, they're doing what Wall Street does best — betting big on stocks, bonds, commodities and other assets.
Citigroup, the shakiest of the major banks during the financial crisis, reported Thursday it eked out a quarterly profit from trading, despite suffering more losses on consumer loans. Trading also drove big profits at Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan Chase.
That some banks are making money now is a sign of remarkable recovery from the crisis a year ago. But the lopsided business model raises questions about what happens if trading profits fall off and banks are left to rely on more traditional operations.
After all, the economy is still struggling to recover, unemployment is approaching 10 percent and Americans are saving money and trying to pay down debt, not taking on more.
"The good news is that banks are in better shape. The bad news is that they're not making loans to consumers and businesses," said market analyst Edward Yardeni. "That could come back to bite them because these trading gains will only last so long."
Mindful of the problems banks still face, investors reacted cautiously a day after the Dow Jones industrials powered back above 10,000 for the first time in a year. Stocks zigzagged for most of Thursday before ending modestly higher.
For now, trading is pretty much the only way banks can make money. And it's more lucrative because there are fewer competitors, interest rates are near zero and government subsidies have allowed banks to borrow cheaply and invest in assets that offer the highest returns.
Goldman Sachs Group Inc. has benefited more than most. Famed for its trading prowess, the New York investment bank said Thursday that third-quarter earnings swelled to $3.03 billion, more than triple what it made a year ago.
As in past quarters, Goldman leaned heavily on its trading operation — buying and selling stocks, bonds, foreign currencies and commodities like oil and gold — to make money.
"They've been on the mark on the trading side," said Stephen Hagenbuckle, a principle at private equity fund TerraCap Partners.
Goldman's strong showing came a day after JPMorgan Chase & Co. reported its own big profits — $3.59 billion for the quarter. That was even more impressive because, unlike Goldman, JPMorgan has suffered heavy losses on consumer loans like credit cards and mortgages.
But JPMorgan's strong investment banking division is "carrying the burden right now," banking analyst Bert Ely said. "If not for that, they would've lost money."
Goldman's quick recovery allowed it to repay the $10 billion it received in government bailout money. That freed the company from restrictions on employee pay, which is on track to reach record levels.
The company said it set aside $16.7 billion, or nearly half its net revenue, through the first nine months of the year for compensation, which includes salaries, bonuses and related costs.
Citigroup Inc., meanwhile, offered a grim reminder of just how shaky the economy remains.
Helped by trading gains, Citi reported a $101 million profit in the third quarter. But including the $288 million the bank paid out in preferred stock dividends, plus the deal that gave the government a 34 percent stake in the bank, it lost $3.24 billion.
The bank, one of the hardest hit during the recession, said loan losses during the quarter came to $8 billion. That's down from nearly $8.4 billion in the second quarter, but a sign that people are still defaulting in large numbers.
Banks have warned that loan losses would continue into next year. Citigroup CEO Vikram Pandit said improving the bad employment picture would be crucial for turning things around.
"Ultimately it's going to come down to how many jobs are there in the country," Pandit told analysts. "And that is probably the single best driver of trying to figure out what happens on a macro basis."
Experts don't expect the job market to pick up anytime soon, meaning banks could be relying on trading gains for the foreseeable future. While the economy may be out of recession, the unemployment rate isn't expected to peak until the middle of next year.
For now, most big banks "are holding their breath to see what 2010 will mean for retail profits," said Brad Hintz, investment banking analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. "Will unemployment come down? Will the consumer start spending? No one knows."
AP Business Writers Stephen Bernard in New York and Ieva M. Augstums in Charlotte, N.C. contributed to this report.
Copyright 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
2009-10-15 17:38:10
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MKN84
10:16PM Oct 15 2009 
Wait until they try to depend on credit card customers. They have bitten all of the credit card holders in the a$$ and will continue to do so until prohibited by Congress. Everyone is getting used to not using the plastic. Boy are they gonna moan and groan when what went around, came right back at them and bit them in their a$$. I'll be sitting back with a beer that day, laughing my a$$ off. That's a promise.
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Rondonit
10:13PM Oct 15 2009 
Remember what they did with oil futures? That is what caused people to have to choose between transportation for employment and paying thier mortgage. They'll just do it again but this time they'll be evicting the renters that were displaced from the homes they stole last time. The cycle repeats itself only this time it was on our Bailout dime.
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Flordanbach9
7:44PM Oct 15 2009 
JAN - 20 - 09 *THE DISGRACING OF AMERICA* - AMERICA IS NOW A TOTAL DISGRACE N A DISASTER WITH THIS STUPID ,INEXPERIENCE MUSLIM BLACK CLOWN -ASHAMED N EMBARRASSED TO BE AN AMERICAN, ,FLY YOUR AMERICAN FLAG UPSIDE DOWN FOR THE DEATH OF AMERICA,, TAKE ALL YOUR MONEY OUT OF YOUR BANK ACCOUNTS N CLOSE ALL ACCOUNTS N DON;T BUY ANYTHING,N SELL ALL YOUR STOCKS ,CAUSE THIS STUPID ,INEXPERIENCE MUSLIM SOCIALIST PIG BLACK CLOWN IS BANKRUPTING AMERICA N PUT AMERICA IN A SEVERE ECONOMIC CRISES N CRIPPLED OUR NATION WITH NO END IN SIGHT,- AMERICA IS CLOSED N WILL STAY CLOSED UNTILL THIS DUMB BLACK MUSLIM SOCIALIST PIG CLOWN N ALL HIS TRASH ARE REMOVED FROM OUR WHITE HOUSE. ! ! !REMEMBER 2010 N 2012 WILL BE THE * *CORRECTION ELECTION* * N YOUR TURN TO ERASE ALL THIS MADNESS CAUSE *WE* THE PEOPLE ARE THE *EMPLOYERS* N * * YOUR FIRED* * YOU MUSLIM BLACK CLOWN COMMUNITY ORGANIZER . ! !
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Vaughnvdg
6:57PM Oct 15 2009 
More fallout from BUSH'S DEREGULATED FREE MARKET ECONOMY!!!!
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